Herd all the noise and the accusations?

On cross generational immune transfer.

And why are clusters of measles outbreaks on the rise?

Fingers are pointed at those who choose not to have their children vaccinated as creating reservoirs of measles infection within the community. Fingers waggled by believers of the doctrines of Vaccination.

Of course it has probably got nothing to do with the increasing trend towards lower rates of vaccine uptake and the implication that as avoiding getting your child vaccinated with the MMR increases their susceptibility to measles this so  drives transfer of measles to other children in their proximity.

But, why should it? Most kids are vaccinated, aren’t they?

Complainants then focus on two groups – the immune compromised, such as those on immune suppressant drugs, and the new borns, “too young yet to be immunised”. They say “If you don’t vaccinate your child and, in due course, they develop the illness then, whilst infectious, they may well make my little Jimmy ill as well, by giving Jimmy THEIR virus.”

Dr Tetyana Obukhanych, an immunologist from the Ukraine, observes that vaccines deprive individuals of lifelong immune protection because they no longer have a natural exposure to measles available in the environment.

Thus mothers who received the first wave of measles shots in 1963 and all those since were stripped of their capacity to transfer natural immune protection to their babies via the placenta and later in the colostrum and subsequent breast milk.

“I am very concerned that an “immunologic memory” drawn from …. vaccines is actually the basis of a sensitization rather than … of true immunity” she says. “Furthermore, I am very concerned that “successful” prevention of childhood diseases by means of the short-term … effects of live attenuated-virus vaccines during childhood has led to the loss of a mother’s ability to transfer immune protection to her young, thereby leaving new born infants vulnerable to those diseases, should the exposure occur.”

And assuming that the kid is physiologically susceptible at that juncture, of course.

“I am also very concerned that vaccination campaigns work by disrupting natural disease transmission, by reducing the chances of exposure, rather than.. establishing a population’s immunity. By doing so, vaccination campaigns actually wipe out a population’s immunity to childhood diseases rather than help to maintain it. [Thus]..in prior decades, there was natural  …. “ herd immunity” to childhood diseases amongst   the adult population … I am afraid … vaccination campaigns have ensured that it is now long gone.” 

So Dr Tetyana’s thesis is that there is a short term disruption effect on measles transfer, due to the stimulation of anti-measles antibodies in the blood streams of those vaccinated, so equipping individuals to resist measles virus infection.  This has hastened the reduction in observed incidence of the illness and acted as a kind of fire break to epidemic transfer. As the effect is only short term not only are you later left prone to new measles infection, should it turn up, but, for mothers to be, there is the loss of any factor that they could transfer either via placenta or post birth in the colostrum and milk.

This certainly holds water but I feel there needs must be a non-immunologist comment here, more an epidemiological slant, to suggest that maybe we had indeed got a population wide grip on the virus, to the extent that epidemics would occur less and less frequently naturally, and infections, when they happened were more readily overcome.

OK, deaths had fallen to insignificant levels but infection did still occur. Would the next twenty years have seen even obvious infection simply vanish? As per Scarlet Fever, which never had a vaccine but just vanished post.

She continued:

“All of this is a direct outcome of the “desired” vaccination effects, the impact of which hadn’t been carefully thought through in advance of introducing mass vaccination. We thought that vaccines work just like natural immunity. Well, apparently they don’t and we are now reaping the consequences of that.”

Actually, far from “thinking it through”, I am confident that the problems of disrupting natural population immune-dynamics and their evolution through time  were never even wildly guessed at, let alone analysed – as the second part of the sentence confirmed.


“We would expect that vaccinated individuals would not be involved (or very minimally involved) in any outbreak of an infectious disease for which they had been vaccinated. Yet, when outbreaks are analyzed, it is apparent that most often this is not the case. Vaccinated individuals are … very frequently involved and constitute a high proportion of such disease cases. I think this is happening because vaccination does not engage the genuine mechanism of immunity.

“Vaccination typically [promotes an] immune response—that is, everything that immunologists would theoretically “want” to see being engaged in the immune system. But apparently this is not enough to confer a robust protection that [equates to] natural immunity. Our knowledge of the immune system is [clearly] far from being complete.”

As a ten year old Dr Tetyana had measles and got over it. Years later as an immunologist and an immigrant to Canada she had course to see her (required) vaccination records and was perplexed to see that as an infant she’d been twice vaccinated against measles. “So what happened when I was ten?”, she’d wondered.

Further illumination comes from the work of Dr. Harold E. Buttram, MD, who writes:

“According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, in the period from 1911 to 1935 the four leading infectious diseases as causes of death in the USA were diptheria, scarlet fever, whooping cough (pertussis) and measles.

“However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these diseases had declined by 95% – and this is before the implementation of mass immunisation programs. By far the greatest factors in this decline were sanitation through public health measures, improved nutrition, and better housing with less crowded conditions.”

That’s 95% fall from whatever mortality rate had prevailed in earlier, poorer times – maybe 5%, 10% – that order, I imagine and, one day, will confirm through research! This means the new mortality rate would have been  less than 0.5% of all cases of infection ie would have been only those still in poverty etc.

He continued:

“There is a school of thought that the so-called minor childhood illnesses of former times, including measles, mumps, chicken pox, and rubella, which entered the body through the mucous membranes, served a necessary and positive purpose in challenging and strengthening the immune system of these membranes. Vaccines in contrast are injected directly into the body, consequently bypassing the mucous membranes, leaving the mucosal immunity relatively weak and stunted.”


“In both The New England Journal of Medicine and the journal Thorax, articles have appeared stating that a healthy immune system has a “bias” towards the cellular immune system, whereas people with allergies, asthma, and diseases of an autoimmune origin have a humoral-dominant, vaccine derived antibody-mediated, system.

“It has also been shown that, once one of these subsets become dominant, it is difficult to shift the system to the other subset.”

The obvious question here is surely whether the humoral-dominant system is in any way a natural state or whether it is a bit like maybe the accelerator pedal being stuck to the floor when driving!

Finally another Immunologist, Dr. H.H. Fudenberg, who confirms this thesis in the following quotation:

“One vaccine decreases cell-mediated immunity by 50%, two vaccines by 70 and all triple vaccines,  likeMMR and DTaP, markedly impair cell-mediated immunity. This predisposes the individual to recurrent viral infections, especially otitis media (middle ear infection), as well as yeast and other fungal infections.”

I would like to see his data here and hear what processes are disabled that such infections are encouraged.


But anyway, where does this all leave little Jimmy?

  1. If he’s a new born of low/no immune transfer mother then, yes, he is undoubtedly prone to picking up measles. All the breast feeding his mum may give him – and, like as not, she won’t anyway – will not give him any passive immunity against measles. Hopefully, tho’, it might help in a more general sense in developing immune competence – especially the colostrum, of course. However Jimmy needs good nutrition – vitamins A and C, for example – and good nursing if he does develop the illness.
  2. If poor Jimmy is on a course of immune suppressant medication and is then exposed to measles virus I imagine, with his natural defences down, he is open to fall sick. Yes, he may well develop measles and so the need is again for high quality nutrition and nursing care. I do not doubt that he is, indeed, at risk.
  3. Finally, what is the source of this risk? There remains the non-vaccinated population within which there is still an element of cross generational transfer but this is quite rare due perhaps to lack of proximity (except within communities such as the Amish) or ongoing, for want of a better phrase, herd immunity! There remain then, as common providers of infective measles virus, two groups
    1. those vaccinated with the MMR “shedding” the virus post vaccination and the inevitable cases of measles precipitated by same jabs.
    2. visitors/returners from countries where the illness remains prevalent.

Certainly Jimmy’s health is an issue and he will require close attention and quality care. But if he’s a new born they get this anyway, don’t they? 24/7, and so there is no issue here, over and above what I noted above. Sadly immune compromise as collateral damage to an earlier vaccination(s) may, it seems, lead to childhood leukaemia, such as would require the immune-suppressants. So my solution is again “Don’t vaccinate” but as we’re too late here, just as hospital acquired MRSA would be a severe challenge to his defences, so will a dose of measles. I have every confidence that nursing staff can be educated to borh recognise the symptoms and care for the patient should they occur.

 Credits: Joel Lord wrote the original assemblage which I have adopted, adapted, supplemented and remoulded to my needs! But thanks, Joel, because it’s a very important area. I’m just so pleased to find others concerned about the inanity of “herd immunity delivered by the needle” and the reality that far from assisting, this process is destroying population wide immune strength.

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